לגבי הדבקות, יש נושאים שצריכים הדבקה ויש כאלה שלא. כרגע, גם את מה שאני כותב אני לא מדביק, כי אם זה לא מעניין אף אחד - לא בעייה שלי, זה תלוי בכם - אני לא אכריח אף אחד להסתכל על משהו שהוא לא רוצה.
חוקי פורום הם כלל יוצא דופן, כמובן. Apprentice זה נושא שהרבה אנשים דיברו עליו לאחרונה. הפינה של Psibeast כבר הרבה זמן מתה בגלל הלימודים.
Navidshi כתב:גם פרות מעדיפות לרעות באחו במקום להתבוסס במיצי הקיבה שלי, אבל זה לא מונע ממני לאכול סטייק. אז בואו נשמור דברים בפרופורציה.
1. When you (Antrax) talked about the Keep watch you didn't mention some very frequent situations:
In sealed , for example, you may be playing with an evasion deck.
I know that as you said you wont put cards in decks just for a certain situation but it happens a lot in sealed that you and your opponent beat each other, one player beats the other who has an atvantage in other resources, or some other situations.
In tournaments, if you play elves for an instance, you could use this card because aginst non beatdown decks (psycatog for an example), if you have more life and creatures in play you aren't necessary the winning player: a nice upheaval and psycho, followed by a removal on the first elf you play after the upheaval and your'e history, but I guess that for home brought decks there are cards that are much better.
2.For the subject of the Elvish pioneer: Tell me if i'm wrong, but many cards aren't useful in every situation or the late game but are still very good. You can't say that if a card isn't useful in certain conditions he's useless.
b: the pioneer sucks, no matter what you say. on the first turn he is nice, as he acts like a llanowar elf. any turn later though, and you already have your lands out, and he becomes a useless 1/1 where you would want a larger creature.
If you have many evasion creatures, it is identical to having many small creatures without blockers. In limited, if you can attack with many creatures who do not get blocked, YOU HAVE WON. Drawing cards is "I win more". In constructed, the decks who could draw many cards from keep watch are:
a) Not blue
b) Too fast to waste time on a card that costs 3 mana.
However, I could realistically see it being used in a control deck as anti-rush tech, possibly with a combination of a fog of some sort. It might be playable in some block constructed.
As for cards sucking because they might not be good, it's all about how useless they are when they're useless, compared to the probabilty of them being good multiplied by how good they are. I think that applies to all examples brought in the text. Elvish prioneer is at its worst a 1/1 vanilla creature, which I believe is generally agreed sucks in the late game. At its peak, it's a mana boost. People are invited to do their own math on this, personally I think the gain from getting another land on even the first turn, multiplied by the odds of drawing it on the opening hand, are not worth the loss of card (effectively) when you draw it in the lategame or even midgame.
I was not trying to prove or say that the Pioneer is a good card but I just wanted to say you can't say a card is crap just because it's not always good (a friend of mine said savanha lions aren't good because they don't help in the late game, so I hope that now you can understand my opinion).
You made your point that it's not a good card by adding that it's also not good in it's peak.
and for the Keep Watch- I know it's not good in a constructed deck and I stated.
You didn't mention all the other situations which I included.
I don't say it's a good card but it can help sometimes, and for an example, you have something like eleven 1\1 weenies and your opponent has four 3\3's and has 4 more life than you. none of you have cards in hand. continue with a great card advantage.
I only ask that you'll not say "there are two situation and in both he's crap" but "mostly he's crap".
I still want to say that I don't say the two cards are good.
2.I edited my post to a similar more detailed situation.
3. My friend didn't talk about the card in limited, but about the card (as I understand, I'll check and if i'm wrong i'll edit my posts).
4. I guess that in most of the things you were right, but I wanted to make a point and I think it was already made.
Your'e right in the cards' uselessness, but I just wanted to say that some of the things you wrote weren't totally accurate, and I guess I shouldn't bring up this discussion if not for what I learnt from it. Therefore, I will treat this overdiscussed arguement over (if it's okay with you).
5. also, I apologize if I annoyed you too much.